Lately, my life seems to revolve around local Marin author Isabel Allende, who wrote The House of the Spirits, Eva Luna, Paula, and many other novels and memoirs. Not long ago, I met a lovely couple, Sally and Celia, who know Isabel very well. Celia used to be married to one of Isabel’s sons, and Sally was engaged to Isabel’s other son. For more than a decade, they have been a couple, raising the three children that are Isabel’s grandchildren. The story of how they met is pretty juicy. In fact, their love story is the epic around which Isabel’s latest memoir, The Sum of our Days, revolves. After I met Celia and Sally, they gave me a signed copy of Isabel’s book and extended an invitation. “Let’s get together and we’ll tell you the real story.”
So now I’m halfway through the book, and Celia and Sally filled me in. If you want to read Isabel’s version, you can read her book, but I’ll keep their story private. But as we were wrapping up our evening, I mentioned that we would be attending the Family Day dharma talk at Green Gulch Zen Center the following day. Sally said, “Make sure you say hi to Fu and Grace for us.”
I recognized these names. These were two other characters from Isabel’s memoir, the foster parents who took in Isabel’s husband’s granddaughter, who lost her mother to drugs. Isabel references baby Sabrina in the loving care of Fu and Grace, who were raising her at the Zen Center, but I had no clue it was the very Zen Center I can walk to from my house.
The next day, I resolved to track down Fu (Grace had apparently been in a horrible car accident on the Golden Gate bridge and was still recovering). We arrived a few minutes late, and when we arrived, a beautiful older woman in robes was seated at the front, giving the dharma talk. Without any clue how I knew this, I was instantly certain this Buddhist priest leading our morning was Fu. I had never met her before and didn’t know she was a priest, but I had this profound sense of knowing from looking at her and seeing her voice. I settled onto my cushion, cross-legged, to listen.
She spoke to the children sitting on the floor, telling a story about shucking corn and finding compassion in her heart for the worms in the corn. But when the children left, she dug into the meat of the talk, which was about impermanence, the Buddhist teaching that nothing lasts forever, not the good, not the bad. Our suffering revolves around our inability to accept this belief. The sun is a big ball of fuel, and one day, the fuel will run out and the solar system will cease to be. We prefer not to think of these things- that our planet will morph, our lives will end, and anything we love will change in time. We prefer to attach to what we love and know. And yet, it is this attachment that causes us to suffer.
I’ve always struggled with this Buddhist teaching. Much of Buddhism resonates with me, and when I mix it up with my Christian upbringing, I get this very personal religion that works for me. I like to say that Buddha is my homeboy, but Jesus is my favorite. But,as you can imagine, dharma and dogma get muddled in my mind from time to time. I find that I don’t believe all of what anyone preaches. I guess I have to sort it all out for myself.
This one Buddhist teaching always gets me stuck. How am I not supposed to attach? I mean, sure, if I don’t love my daughter, I won’t miss her if I lose her. But love is a form of attachment, isn’t it? How can you love and still let go? If I don’t attach to my child, won’t I be neglecting her? Can’t I at least attach now, when she’s three and needs me so much? Can’t I wait to let her go until she’s 18? And even then, letting go will never prevent me from experiencing pain if I should lose her? My whole life is about attachment to what I love. What would detaching feel like?
I see the comfort in the flip-side. If you accept that nothing in permanent, then rough times will also pass. If neither good nor bad will last, we have only today- this very moment.
The beautiful priest explained how this truth had been made evident in her life recently. Her partner Grace (of course! I just knew it was Fu!) had just been in a devastating accident, and their lives had been turned upside down. They, along with their daughter Sabrina (of course!) were learning how to reconfigure a brand new life, since everything they considered permanent had all changed in a blink.
Fu was quiet then. And shifted the talk to less somber topics.
After the dharma talk, I introduced myself to Fu, and we spoke about Isabel, Sabrina, Grace, Sally, and Celia, this whole cast of real life characters I have been reading about. Hours later, I found Fu’s words still ringing in my head.
Impermanence. Nothing lasts. On one level, how comforting. Feeling unhappy or having a bad day? It will pass. Feeling grief and loneliness? Only temporary. Experiencing pain? Pain alleviates.
But the flip side? Love ends. Joy fades. Possessions disappear. I mean, I hear the words, but I just can’t get my brain around it. I guess we like to have it both ways, don’t we? We prefer to attach to the good and let go of the bad. At least I do. But how much of that attaching to the good leads to the clinging that causes our suffering? Does love (or rather, fear) make us cling to those we need to release? Do we fear the end of joy so much that we grab on with both hands? Does attaching to possessions lead to suffering?
Uh, probably.
Anyway, I am no Buddhist teacher, I have no answers, and I've never claimed to be wise. But when questions ruminate in my mind, I figure they might be rumbling around yours too. And the circumstances that lead me to the hear this talk (Sally, Celia, Isabel’s book, Fu…I mean seriously, can you say Sign From the Universe #161?) lead me to believe that maybe I should throw my unformed thoughts out there and start a discussion with you Pinkies. I’d really love to hear your thoughts.
What do you think about all this? Does all suffering come from our desire to make the impermanent last forever? Are you able to let go? Can you truly surrender to the here and now and be present in the only moment that really exists? I’d love to know.
Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional. Joy is a choice. If I attach, I will feel the stinging pain that comes with loss. But must I suffer when I experience loss? Well, I believe I will feel the pain, which will hurt. But, with God's help, I can overcome anything. Anything. I don't have to suffer. I'm inclined to love as fully as I can, accepting that with love, you allow yourself to feel all feelings fully- love, loss, pain. I wouldn't have it any other way. If that means that I'm attaching, then I'm sorry. I guess I'll just have to attach and deal with the consequences. Maybe life isn't about avoiding suffering. Maybe it's more about fully experiencing love. Perhaps it's true that nothing is permanent, but in this present moment, everything exists and I want to embrace all that I love and hold dear with gratitude.
My mind is still aswirl, but I'll quit rambling now. Forgive my very unfocused thoughts, Pinkies.
Trying to sort it all out,
Lissa
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Isn't that the truth, Janet?
By Lissa Rankin on Wednesday, 10/14/2009 at 7:06 AMIsn't that the truth, Janet? Yes. It's all about the journey...
letting go is as much a
By janet (not verified) on Wednesday, 10/14/2009 at 7:00 AMletting go is as much a moment-to-moment task as is living in the now. it's all good. and it's all hard. but i think if it wasn't hard it wouldn't be such an exquisite accomplishment. certainly knowing my children have grown into adulthood makes me sad and satisfied - at the same time - that i have been a part of their lives and they of mine. there is no "getting to" a place, physically, morally or spiritually. it is the journey, and the journey is the string of moments. so if there is no place to "get to", can we really fail? only by failing to notice what has been laid out before us...
"collecting the moments, one by one. i guess that's how the future's done" Mushaboom, lyrics by FEIST
Christa, you Da Girl! And
By Lissa Rankin on Thursday, 10/08/2009 at 5:02 PMChrista, you Da Girl! And yes, isn't that what it's all about, honey? Walking off the range calm and collected, even if the balls all went a'flyin... Hmmm. Thank you for the visual. Yes, I guess that's really what it boils down to. Living in the moment when the club hits the ball...
I couldn't help but think of
By Christa (not verified) on Thursday, 10/08/2009 at 3:17 PMI couldn't help but think of a joke I saw in the August 2009 issue of Ode Magazine while reading the beginning your post:
Q: Why don't Buddhists vacuum in the corners? A: Because they have no attachments.
Ah...to have no attachments! That's like wishing we didn't have cellulite and chin hairs.
I also thought about a new post title for you, if I may be so bold? Here it is: Buddha is my Homeboy but Jesus is Da Man. Just a thought, run that past Joy. :-)
In all seriousness, I've spent the last few days thinking about attachment in the context of a lost life by suicide, 4 years ago yesterday. My friend is gone. Kaput. Not coming back. And yet...I am still attached to what could have been if yesterday had been different.
And yet...I am here and life goes on.
As I took a "whack" at some golf balls this afternoon I practiced a lesson in attachment. I made a decision not to judge myself on the outcome (and as a beginner, the outcome is varied). I hit some great shots and some horrible ones but at least I walked off the range calm and collected not angered and dejected.
[...] read this post on
By Surrender « Waiting for the Click (not verified) on Thursday, 10/08/2009 at 3:03 AM[...] read this post on Owning Pink tonight and it helped me gather my thoughts to finish writing about surrender, [...]
Yeah for Lissa!
By Jason (not verified) on Wednesday, 10/07/2009 at 2:37 PMYeah for Lissa!
Ah, Jason! Look at that! The
By Lissa Rankin on Wednesday, 10/07/2009 at 2:27 PMAh, Jason! Look at that! The little photo comes up. Thanks for helping out this techno-phobe. So appreciate it, brother!
Shannon, as always, you blow
By Lissa Rankin on Wednesday, 10/07/2009 at 12:21 PMShannon, as always, you blow me away, sister. Yes. Yes. Yes.
I would love to share my
By Shannon Elsom (not verified) on Wednesday, 10/07/2009 at 11:48 AMI would love to share my thoughts on this. I went through a glorious period in my life that lasted about three years where I was completely in the moment. I was present. I wasn't grasping for a future yet to be and I wasn't clinging to a past that had slipped through my fingers like so much sand. I had been shocked into this space through a life crisis. It was then that I realized the impermanence of things. I was blindsided by the truth that there are no safe spaces and no guarantees. That very much as Don Juan once cautioned Carlos Casteneda, "Death is always at your left side waiting to tap your shoulder, so you must live each moment as if it were your last."
I came to realize that love is not attachment. Love is the ultimate truth. In fact love is the All. It is the energy to which everything is connected and everything is returned. You can never lose love. It is the truth of your being.
During this time I was the most peaceful and content as I ever was at any point in my life. I belonged and I could feel it deep in my bones. Did it mean that my life was free of challenges and difficulties? No... but my experience of these things was different. They seemed to be passers-by on my path rather than influences taking up permanent residence. I didn't become emotionally engaged and entangled in struggle.
Did I also experience joys? Yes... but I had no attachment to outcomes. I had no expectations. I was centered in the moment and life had become this free-flowing experience. Neither good... nor bad. The labels come from the grasping. The labels come from the expectation and our definitions of what we perceive as the way our life should look to have meaning, but when we let all of that go... when we surrender into the moment and say "YES" to whatever shows up, even the unfathomable, we remove all obstruction and become centered in the reality that is love... the truth of our beings.
I am witnessing this now in my dear friend who lost her only son earlier this year. He was only 23. The experience was like an earthquake, consuming everything in its path. It shook her to the core of her being into the present moment. She calls it the wicked blessing because for the first time in her life, she is there... in the present. No agendas. No attachments to outcomes. She is in the flow. In moments, she is in grief. In other moments, she is in joy and wonder at the compassion of life. She has not lost her son but has realized that he is always with him in love. She has been called to surrender her idea of experiencing him and she now has a deeply profound spiritual connection with her son.
Yet this temporal body, trapped in time and space with its limitations... oh how it suffers in those moments when dealt life's blows.
My friend is grace in action. She feels she is messy and awkward as she walks through this insurmountable loss and yet,realizes in a sense of cosmic irony that through this loss, she has been found. Never in her life has she felt so authentic... so whole. It is because she was forced to surrender the very thing she was more attached to than anything in the whole wide world... being a mother as she has known that experience, to her beautiful son Roy.She had to surrender control (attachment) in recognizing that there are no safe spaces. Now she is the embodiment of truth and a wicked blessing it is, that her and Roy are never apart because Roy is love and she too is that.
I lost my connection to the present. I returned to the land of attachment... to clinging and grasping... to the realm where true suffering lies. I am now making my way back to that place where I can be in the moment and experience the depth and beauty of the magical mystery tour.
I probably waxed philosophical here, but it is one of those intangible states of being that is near impossible to define with concepts or words.It is a state lived. Attachment is a distortion because there is no separation. It is All One. How can we ever really possess anything all to ourselves that is already part of us and the limitless All?
Sulis, thank you for sharing
By Lissa Rankin on Wednesday, 10/07/2009 at 4:28 AMSulis, thank you for sharing that vulnerability. And wow Kate. Mary Oliver's poem pretty much says it all, doesn't it? Amen to that. THAT I get- perfectly.
Mary Oliver has a beautiful
By Kate (not verified) on Wednesday, 10/07/2009 at 2:39 AMMary Oliver has a beautiful poem about this (via Patti Digh http://www.37days.com/2009/10/poetry-wednesday-.html):
In Blackwater Woods
... To live in this world
you must be able to do three things: to love what is mortal; to hold it
against your bones knowing your own life depends on it; and, when the time comes to let it go, to let it go.
It's 6.30 am and I have read
By Sulis (not verified) on Wednesday, 10/07/2009 at 1:32 AMIt's 6.30 am and I have read all the above with appreciation. I especially value Megan's: 'I perceive it all as not being attached to a particular outcome.' This opens up so many opportunities to let life flow.
I also see that looking at the extent and nature and manifestation of an attachment can teach me a lot about what I have not yet come to terms with or understood about myself or what vulnerability remains for me to treat with self-compassion. That is the abtract version.
The real life one is played out through a beloved cat companion who stands for so much in my life that has little to do with her delightful life. She is my lost child, my other lost animals, my lost marriage, my lost ... and so it goes on.
So because I could not protect the above, I protect her with my life and willingly curtail my own life to do that. Still, I let her into the forest at 4.30 am, pray that she will be safe, fear for the consequences for me if she is not, and love her.
Dear Lissa (the
By Jason (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 6:31 PMDear Lissa (the non-technolady)
Sign up for a gravatar at http://en.gravatar.com/ with the same email address that your blog's user account is using.
This will allow us to see your beautiful sunshiny face with all your comment replies.
I have been working a lot
By Leslee Horner (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 3:01 PMI have been working a lot over the last couple of years with becoming detached in a positive way. I've done very well with material posessions. I even proved it to myself by taking my wedding crystal (that we never used in 10 years) to a consignment shop because it simply had become clutter that no longer (if ever) served us. My sister was horrified to hear I did this, but I haven't had one ounce of regret. I give away books that I love with the idea that if I am meant to get the message again, they will come back to me somehow.
With our kids I think healthy detachment is important. That is what helps us guide them, instead of looking at them as belonging to us or us to them. I want my girls to find their own way and I want to nurture their talents instead of clinging to them.
"If you love something set it free..." In my opinion if it comes back to you it is something that will continue with you throughout your journeys, whether they be in this life, or the next, or whatever is in between!
Wow, Joy and Jason- and all
By Lissa Rankin on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 2:50 PMWow, Joy and Jason- and all the rest of you Pinkies out there reading without joining in- THANK YOU for holding the space for me to process all of this. I feel much greater peace about it here tonight. I love you all!
Yesterday, I heard my
By Jason (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 12:01 PMYesterday, I heard my children. Jack said, "Mine." and Sierra responded, "I had it first."
I think attachment comes from believing that something external will magically make us feel better and more in control of impermanence.
The truth for me is a person or object often gives me pleasure and without that person or object, I've felt pain.
I'm slowly growing and finding that this pain is a natural part of being human and that I'm needy by nature.
These needs for connection, love, attention, approval, etc. get attached to a strategy to get met and this is where things turn all Gollum and like my children internally shouting, "Mine."
It's in the strategies of how we think life should and shouldn't look that I see things shift from the light to the darkness.
What has began to unwind for me is to notice where I'm hooked. To honor that I have unmet needs and to remember that I'm resourceful and can get these needs met.
Amazing post, and incredible
By Joy Mazzola on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 11:34 AMAmazing post, and incredible question.
One of the most freeing moments of my life was when I realized — REALLY realized — that nothing is permanent. Neither pain nor joy. I forget exactly how it came about, but I know it had to do with a deeper understanding of a phrase I’d heard a million times: “this too shall pass.” And now, in moments of joy, believe it or not, it feels GOOD to say, “this too shall pass.” (Of course it feels wonderful in the down times.) Perhaps the attachment, then, is our connection to the feelings themselves — labeling them as good or bad and being so controlled by them that we forget they are simply part of the human experience. The alternative? Watching them. Noticing yourself in their midst. Despair and elation are very much the same when you look at it that way. And it’s all the experience of this trip called life. So of course we can love – we can enjoy love and revel in it and live it with all our hearts. We can accept that pain can be part of that — loss hurts. Really, they’re inextricably linked, and it’s all just life. In between those two there’s boredom and irritation and amusement and jealousy and empathy and aaaaaall the others we are lucky enough to feel every day. And here’s the kicker – there’s no getting around any of them, if you’re a human bean. So I suppose my idea of non attachment is to surrender to the fact that what is, is. Try to have some spaciousness around experiences and emotions. Try not to let thoughts think me, or feelings feel me, but recognize them for what they are — part of the delicious dance on this planet. Thank you for sparking this all my dearest Lissa. xoxox Joy
And yes, Christa- Maybe this
By Lissa Rankin on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 7:25 AMAnd yes, Christa- Maybe this is all part of the spiritual practice of living the question...
Mimi- thank you. I think I
By Lissa Rankin on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 7:24 AMMimi- thank you. I think I need to go out and buy Byron Katie's book. I've read her work before, but not this one. Thank you for shining the light on my spiritual path for me. Blessings...
Lissa - what a beautiful
By Christa Avampato (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 7:23 AMLissa - what a beautiful collection of thoughts. I am so glad that you and Owning Pink are in my life!
This ides of impermanence, of being able to survive and thrive no matter what, is such a crucial teaching and merits so much discussion. These are tough, tough concepts. I struggle with them all the time. How do we let ourselves feel it all without letting those feelings bog us down. Such a tough balance. I used to think that the ability to balance all of these conflicting things was something I'd "get to", that I'd learn the secret of how to do it eventually. I'm beginning to think that this is a daily, weekly, monthly process, just like peace.
Hugs, C
Megan, I totally agree with
By Lissa Rankin on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 7:21 AMMegan, I totally agree with you on not attaching to outcomes. Big believer in that. My thought is- Set goals, but release attachment to outcome.
So with Siena, I'm fine with that (at least in theory!) If she wants to skip college, let her freak flag fly, be gay, oppose my political beliefs, never give me grandkids, or be a stripper- well, it's her life. I can love her and not attach to the outcome- at least, I hope I can. My mother always taught me "The relationship is more important than being right." I would love her anyway.
It's the attaching to her life part that gets me. Can I practice non-attachment when it comes to her life? That's the part that gets me.
And I hear you Simone. But how much of not attaching to another animal is based on fear? Are you so afraid that you will once again experience 3 years of suffering that you would prefer not to love as much? Or is there some other intangible difference that can let you love as deeply while not attaching? That's the part I can't figure out.
I know many who once they lose someone they love, whether to death, divorce, or heartbreak, choose never to open themselves fully to love. I refuse to do that. I told my husband when we first met that i give him permission to break my heart. Otherwise, would I be fully giving my heart to him, fully loving? That's where I'm stuck. I don't want to encourage you Pinkies to live in fear of what you might lose. And yet, yes, the Buddhist teaching on non-attachment resonates with me in almost every other way.
Still working on it, Lissa
Hi- I think what Megan says
By Mimi Searfoss (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 7:20 AMHi- I think what Megan says is spot on. When we attach to our story about someone or something, we experience pain when it changes. I like to believe that although everything is always changing, it does not just disappear, instead it changes form. If you have not read any Byron Katie, she is a Master of this. Her book "A Thousand Names for Joy, Living in Harmony with the Way Things Are", is about this very topic. I found it an amazing and beautiful journey about a women completely detached from any outcome, yet completely filled with love. It left me in awe.
Oops, that last bit was meant
By Simone da Rosa (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 7:00 AMOops, that last bit was meant to read, "...still love it when its physical form is absent..." Just clarifying.
Hmmm attachment. I have been
By Megan Monique Harner on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 6:55 AMHmmm attachment. I have been toiling with this very concept for several years now. Up until 2006 I didn't even realize that is how I had been living my life. As some of you may have read, I still stumble upon discoveries of where I am attached (Brawn and I.)
I don't perceive attachment to mean that you cannot love your daughter, our boyfriends, husbands or families fully and unconditionally. I perceive it all as not being attached to a particular outcome.
To be attached to the idea that your daughter is going to grow up, go to school, get married and have children, etc, etc, is something you might hope for, but is something that might be an attachment for you. When in reality you don't know how her life is going to unfold. Releasing yourself from the attachment of the way things are going to go might be freeing for you. Of course these are all just possibilities.
When we free ourselves of attachment, we let The Universe guide us to our places that much faster.
I have always felt that
By Simone da Rosa (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 6:55 AMI have always felt that learning the lesson of impermanence means to learn the lesson of our very nature. I have been called The Consummate People Person, but boy do I love animals and can whisper to them Doolittle-style. When I lost my girl Jessie, it cut like a knife, deeply and sharply. It took me three years to even be able to hear the word 'Jessie' without bursting out in tears! Something inside me clicked and just knew that the next animal I would be guardian of, I would be able to love that deeply yet not be as attached to. I didn't bother to intellectualize this truth, I just knew it. All that was well over a decade ago. In reading your post, Lissa, it hit me for the *first time* that my Jessie-dha had come to me to teach me a lesson in impermanence. That you can love so truly, madly, deeply and yet still love it in its physical (or otherwise familiar) form. THAT part doesn't change...at all, and in fact, may deepen. Thanks for another great share, L!
Erin, Ditto on the muddled
By Lissa Rankin on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 6:36 AMErin, Ditto on the muddled thoughts! When I finished writing this post last night, I doubted myself for the first time since I began Owning Pink in April. I reread what I had written and thought, "Damn, this is garbled gobbledigook! People come here for inspiration, not confusion and muddled thoughts."
But I figured that if I'm confused, others might be too. And so I decided to put it out there. Muddy though it is, it's my truth, and why judge that? Now I'm glad I did. Clearly, this rings true for many of us spiritual seekers as we walk the path to distill our beliefs and figure out how to interpret the many sacred teachings out there in the world.
I love how timely your posts
By Erin (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 6:32 AMI love how timely your posts are! Impermanence is something I've been thinking about lately in my career (something far less deep than other areas of life, but interesting nonetheless) and your post really helped me look at it from a new angle. I think I spent most of my life resisting change, craving change, inviting change into my life, then being all WHAT HAVE I DONE? Sheesh, talk about causing myself a lot of stress.
I don't have any insights to add here seeing as my thoughts on the topic are really muddled, but this post was awesome! Thanks for putting your thoughts out there, I suspect I'll be thinking about this for the rest of the day. :)
P.S. Kate - what you said about loving without attachment resonated with me right down to the tips of my toes. Wow.
Alice, you and I must have
By Lissa Rankin on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 5:23 AMAlice, you and I must have been posting at the same time!
Your story reminds me of an exercise my mother did in a camp she lead. The kids there had all lost a parent. One of the exercises she had them do was build toy houses out of toothpicks (is that right, Mom?). They put a lot of effort into their houses and then Mom came around pretending to be a tornado and blew all the houses to shreds, demonstrating that life is out of control, that bad things happen and it's not their fault.
But next, she showed them how they can rebuild their houses with popsicle sticks and glue, that their houses can be all the stronger because of the tornado. I guess it too was a lesson in non-attachment.
I guess ultimately, the only thing we can really attach to is our relationship to the Divine, the one permanence I know. Hmm....thank you all for seeking right along with me. It's so much less lonely this way!
Wow. Thank you all for
By Lissa Rankin on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 4:50 AMWow. Thank you all for helping me sort this out. I'm sitting here, nodding, at what all three of you wrote.
Yes, I agree that we cannot attach to what a person DOES. If my child wants to be or do something that I would not prefer, that is her choice and I hope I never try to attach so hard that I make efforts to force my will up on her. My mother was always a great model for this- raising us with values but letting go her attachment to whether we abided by them.
But yes, as you say, Colleen, can I take non-attachment so far as to say I won't feel loss if I lose someone I love? No. I don't think so. I love passionately and let go reluctantly when someone's time has come. My father asked me if he could die. He wanted my permission. I was only one week postpartum when he asked and I didn't want to let him go. I wanted him to at least stick around until my C-section wound healed so I could focus more on him. But I had to let go and give him my blessing. Damn, it wasn't easy. If I attached less, would it hurt less? Would I have avoided suffering? This is where I get confused.
Kate, what you say resonates with me. Yes, I think you can love and practice non-attachment in your relationships on the level of what you speak. I have long ago detached from trying assert my will on my sister, who has made many choices I would not prefer. And yet, I love her desperately in spite of these choices. I recognize that I do not own her, just as I don't own my 3 year old daughter or my husband or my mother, who I love desperately. But it took me a long time to get to this point.
And Debbie, you know how I so appreciate your wisdom. After many years of feeling judged by the church in which I was raised, every word you write is a healing and reconnection with my roots. Thank you for that. And yes, Jesus is still my favorite.
I think this is very timely,
By Alice (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 4:50 AMI think this is very timely, Lissa! I was just teaching that very word, "impermanence" to my students yesterday! That's because it's a Jewish holiday - Sukkot - in which Jewish families build temporary structures to sit outside and eat together in. Part of what it's for is reminding ourselves that we are not in control - we are vulnerable to the weather, and the circumstances that happen in our lives. We can only choose how we deal with what comes to us the best we know how. That requires living in the now - and also knowing that this, too, shall pass (Something Joy pointed out recently!).
Does this address the idea of love and attachment? Only indirectly. It's a little like what Colleen said, that we don't attach ourselves to the actions of those we love. But at the same time, we need to choose our response to what affects us. And we also choose what we will allow to affect us! Like you've said, joy is a choice, suffering is too.
I am probably as befuddled as anyone else, but that's where I'm coming from. Thanks, as always, for inspiring us with your beautiful honesty, thoughts, and the wonderful learning you share.
Wow, Lissa, what a great
By Colleen (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 3:11 AMWow, Lissa, what a great topic for me at this time. I'm with you on the struggle to understand how love and attachment can co-exist.
I believe it has to do with preferences but that's a bit of a fuzzy concept for me, as yet. The way it makes the most sense for me is that we remain unattached to what our loved ones do. As in, their actions don't affect our sense of self-worth and don't trigger a judgment from us.
That sounds pretty easy when you think about someone you love choosing to wear mismatching socks or even to chew with their mouths open, for example. But what if they choose something bigger that is dischordant with our preferences? Something like... oh, I don't know... wanting to work so much that you never see them or choosing to put accountability for their lives on things outside themselves?
To me, this is where attachment vs preferences comes in. I can absolutely detach from even these choices and not let it affect my inner self. I can tell myself that this is where they are at with their life and not judge them but do I prefer to live with that?? In other words, I can but do I want to?
That's my take on attachment as it pertains to my life in the moment. I'm not sure how that applies to losing someone by a seeminly random happening like an accident... That I will have to ponder more once I'm clearer on this aspect!
Thanks again for a great read, Lissa. :)
I think we can love with all
By Kate (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 2:40 AMI think we can love with all our hearts without getting attached to our loved ones. What this means to me is... I don't own the people I love. They aren't in this world for me. They are on their own spiritual path and I can be there with and for them, but it isn't all about me. Sometimes what someone I love needs is in direct opposition to my wishes and desires. How I handle that situation shows how attached I am to them. Really, I think the attachment is more to our ideas about our loved ones than to the actual people. Loving whole heartedly and without attachment is a gift to the whole world. And don't I just sound like I think I have a clue! I'm just struggling with this same issue and this is how I'm thinking about it these days.
now it is my turn to say: you
By Debbie (not verified) on Tuesday, 10/06/2009 at 12:57 AMnow it is my turn to say: you make me smile. I think it is good to find ourself in the place where we are still learning and becoming more open. This sounds like what you are expressing and challenging your readers too. I like it. It's too early for me to write more in this day and with it's schedule but I will curiously check back to see where we are with this. In the mean time I'm thinking the whole "don't worry for the marrow" and "I surrender all" are the the way we are going in the "Jesus Fav" context.