
Yesterday, I read Lissa Rankin’s article “Make Love, Not Burned Qurans” and started to reply to some of her questions: “Why must we let our faith divide us, rather than unite us? Why can’t you let me believe what I believe, I’ll let you believe what you believe, and we can love each other anyway? Why must we let religion, hatred, and fear get between us and the Divine? If God is love, where is the God in this church? And what are we to do about it?” As I got into my reply, however, I realized I had an entire post inside of me. Graciously, the Owning Pink editorial staff agreed to let me write a response.
I was raised as a Southern Baptist in a small Kentucky town. My parents, my sister and I went to Sunday school and church every Sunday morning. We returned to church on Sunday and Wednesday evenings. We had weeklong “revivals” several times a year, and I always spent at least two weeks in Vacation Bible School every summer. I was quite faithful to my denomination until my 20s. At the moment, I consider myself “spiritual but not religious” but I think I’m the only one in my family who has “left” the church.I feel that I have a unique view of a fundamentalist mindset both inside and out.
A basic tenet in many Christian denominations is the non-Christians will go to hell when they die. This was the focal point of most of the sermons I heard growing up. This tenet is accepted just as one would accept the law of gravity. I once had a friend ask me why people would choose to believe in a God who would send people to eternal hell fire. See, for many, you don’t choose to believe this. It’s just the way things are. My church community firmly believed that it was our responsibility to prevent as many people from going to hell as possible, and they went about trying to convert everyone to Christianity. How did they do this? Through fear. It can be quite the motivator.
As an elementary school child, I set through sermon after sermon describing the eternal heat of hell fire, the smell, the pain, the thirst, the never ending agony. Sermons ended with questions like, “If you left this church today and died in a car accident, would you go to heaven?” Some preachers would even point directly at people in the pews, make eye contact, and say, “Are YOU saved?” I know this sounds horrible and hateful. But, keep in mind that within this paradigm, our mortal life is just a blip but eternity is well, forever. To leave one person unsaved was just cruel. Yes, the basis of these fear tactics (for most), was concern and love.
I’ve had many people ask me why some Christians are so determined to “save” other people. If Christians want to believe this stuff about hell, then fine, but they don’t need to force others to believe it as well. Well, let me tell you a story I used to hear in church growing up –
The preacher would ask us to imagine “Judgment Day.” The angels are going through everyone, casting non-Christians down to hell. The Christians are watching it all. A friend of yours is about to be cast down. But, before he goes to hell, he looks you in the eye and says, “Why, why did you not tell me about this? You could have witnessed to me and you never did.” In this belief system, how could a compassionate human being not try to convert everyone? Is there really “one true religion”? Southern Baptists certainly don’t have the monopoly on believing that there is one true religion, or that failure to follow certain beliefs will lead to eternal punishment. In fact, most religions have concepts of “right” and “wrong,” so logically, it would follow that many religions would consider people who believe differently than them to be wrong. If the religion further believes that the “wrong” people are doomed to eternal torture, then to love all people would be to save all people from this torture.
The Southern Baptists that I know personally very much believe in freedom of religion. They realize it’s why they are free to preach their beliefs, and they wouldn’t want the government interfering. However, it is their duty, as individuals, to convert. (And I feel like I have to add that the churches I know are very involved in other loving acts. The money they collect every week goes towards a food pantry for the hungry, towards helping the unemployed pay their bills and towards a wide range of humanitarian causes.)
So, why this background into the psychology of fundamentalist Christians? Because I think both they and their motives are very misunderstood. I’m not saying we should just tacitly accept or even excuse the behavior of someone like the minister who had planned to burn the Qurans; but in order to have a dialogue about love and compassion, we need to fully understand where a person is “coming from.” Attacking the basis of a person’s religion (in the case of the way I was raised – that non-Christians will go to hell) isn’t going to work.
I remember one of my first papers in college was about Descartes. I told my mother that I was writing about his argument for the existence of God. She went completely pale. Even thinking about questioning a religious tenet was far too risky for her. She’s never even been to any Christian church other than Southern Baptist!
Honestly, I’m not sure when I left behind my religious upbringing. When I went to college, I visited the churches of many different denominations. One of my majors was political and social philosophy. I stayed in contact with my spiritual side but very slowly, released the dogma. I couldn’t “argue away” my beliefs but I was slowly converted to a different way of thinking (Spirit at work!). I am currently very open to other religions and see how different people need different kinds of belief systems to express their individual spirituality. I no longer believe there is a “right” or “wrong” way to approach God. But, I understand why others are fearful to be that open.
In yesterday’s post, Lissa asked, “and what are we to do about it?” This is a situation where there is no clear answer, especially when different groups express love and compassion in such very different ways. All I can suggest is that we open our minds a little and try to stand in the shoes of those with whom we disagree. It didn’t happen quickly, but that’s what eventually worked for me.
What is your experience with organized religion? Do you still embrace the beliefs of your childhood, or have they evolved over time?
Blessings,
Jennifer Astrologer, Educator & Founder of FemCentral, the Virtual Institute for Women
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Why can't we all just get along?
By Jenn (not verified) on Wednesday, 09/15/2010 at 10:23 AMI appreciate your thoughts... they mirror my own struggle with religion and the self-righteous people who rely on fear rather than love as a tool to build relationships.
An exerpt from a recent blog post of my own:
"We all believe that we have the correct belief system, path to enlightenment, way to heaven, etc. or else we would not put our stock in that religion or basis of thought, right? So, let's leave it at that and not attack each other for personal choices or others who have also chosen that belief system. The liklihood of being able to isolate yourself and only come in contact with clones of yourself are slim to none. I encourage you to consider others not based upon stereotypes of "those people" (or the poor examples you have come in contact with in your daily life) but (to paraphrase Dr. Martin Luther King) the content of their character. There are also kind, intelligent people of all religions, races, and nationalities.
Can't we all just get along?"
Thanks for the intelligently argued post!
We have similar upbringings....
By Linda Eaves (not verified) on Wednesday, 09/15/2010 at 8:10 AMYes, Jennifer - I agree and can relate to much of what you were saying. Am also spiritual but not religious. Was raised by a fundamentalist Christian Mom, and a conservative elderly dad who didn't set foot in church. To make sure you'd witness to people, scare tactics were customary. You were a horrible, selfish person if you didn't witness to your friends and help get them saved - you were condemning them to eternal suffering. It was just like the text inside this tract designed to make sure you understood the consequences of not witnessing.
This one's called, "He Never Told Us." http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0945/0945_01.asp
If you're shy no problem, pass them a tract. "When you get to heaven, you'll be glad you did."
LOT of pressure. So glad it's not that way anymore.
All roads lead to God
By Monica Wilcox on Monday, 09/13/2010 at 3:33 PMThere's a quote I love from John Lucus, "Religionism is for those who fear hell. Spiritualism is for those who have been there."
I don't believe in the Christian hell but I believe we can experience a hell like state on our soul's journey. I think anytime we step away from our connection to The Divine we are stepping closer to that ugly place. That's why I believe for some, religion does bring them closer, but for others (myself) there is a disconnect and so we've had to look for other roads to find our way back to The All.
I prefer to live a life respecting any and all roads that lead one toward feeling connected. Who am I to take away that connection, in any way, from another? Who am I to cut the strings (as if they could be cut)?
I agree Jennifer, it would be a world changing event if humanity could come to a place where all avenues are not only respected but revered if there is a single soul walking it in search of The All.
Thanks for bring up the questions many of us have faced. Great post.
Monica Wilcox
www.femmetales.com
All roads lead to God
By Monica Wilcox on Monday, 09/13/2010 at 3:33 PMThere's a quote I love from John Lucus, "Religionism is for those who fear hell. Spiritualism is for those who have been there."
I don't believe in the Christian hell but I believe we can experience a hell like state on our soul's journey. I think anytime we step away from our connection to The Divine we are stepping closer to that ugly place. That's why I believe for some, religion does bring them closer, but for others (myself) there is a disconnect and so we've had to look for other roads to find our way back to The All.
I prefer to live a life respecting any and all roads that lead one toward feeling connected. Who am I to take away that connection, in any way, from another? Who am I to cut the strings (as if they could be cut)?
I agree Jennifer, it would be a world changing event if humanity could come to a place where all avenues are not only respected but revered if there is a single soul walking it in search of The All.
Thanks for bring up the questions many of us have faced. Great post.
Monica Wilcox
www.femmetales.com
Similar Upbringing
By Beth (not verified) on Friday, 09/10/2010 at 6:47 AMThis really resonates as I was raised Christian and have also stepped away from my faith. I decided I wanted to live in love and not fear. I wrote about my spiritual journey in more depth on my blog: http://fiestabeth.blogspot.com/2010/03/my-journey.html.
I agree that it can be very scary to change belief patterns when they are so ingrained. When I started questioning things in high school I had friends who told me flat out, "I don't want to talk about this." They were just too scared.
Thanks for sharing, Jennifer. I wish I had some answers. Personally I just try to live my life in a way that exemplifies that it is possible to find joy, love, peace and happiness outside the framework of religion.
joy, love, peace and happiness
By Jennifer Shelton on Friday, 09/10/2010 at 7:13 AMThank you for sharing, Beth! You are right that there are no simple answers and there may not be an "answer" at all. I agree with you that we just have to live our life as an example to others.
Blessings,
Cradle Catholic
By Jeanne Gumbleton (not verified) on Friday, 09/10/2010 at 6:23 AMI am a cradle Catholic. I went through 12 years of parochial school and in my elementary years was taught that God was something fierceful and I was constantly afraid I was going to hell if I wasn't good! In my 20's I was a twofer (only going to church for Christmas and Easter), but after I was married and started a family my husband (who is also a cradle Catholic) started to go back to church. I have since evolved my God into a kind, forgiving, merciful and loving God. I believe that everyone gets into Heaven regardless of what religion they are or what they have done on earth, although they have to live with the consequences of their decisions while on earth. I believe we are to do our best to bring Heaven on earth by being loving, kind, inclusive and forgiving to others. I recently sat through a homily at my sons Catholic summer camp and the priest actually told them that if they don't go to church every Sunday, they will not get into Heaven! To say the least, I was very upset. I told my sons that that is not true, everyone gets into heaven and if they EVER hear anything questionable coming out of the mouths of anyone, especially anyone they consider of authority, they need to ask us about it, or even question the one who said it.
I surround myself with wonderful other religious or spiritual people who don't bring me down with dogma or fear. I don't try to "save" anyone, but show by example. One of my favorite songs is "They Will Know We Are Christians by Our Love". I can't quote scripture, the Old Testament is a bunch of "stories" and I don't kneel in church (we don't have kneelers anyway). There are many other things that I don't do in church just because a bunch of guys in Rome said I have to. I listen to my own heart. I go to church on Sunday's to reconnect with God and my community. Fortunately for our church we have one of the last good priests. The "Church" is training the new seminarians the ways of pre-Vatican II, going back to traditional ways and putting the priests up on a pedestal. They are human just like us, but are blindly following the dogma without another thought.
That's my three cents worth, thanks for the post and keep up the good work!
raising children
By Jennifer Shelton on Friday, 09/10/2010 at 7:10 AMJeanne,
Thank you for sharing. I also have a son who picks up different "versions" of religion from different people, and he gets confused. He is quite preoccupied with the afterlife; I explained what I believe but pointed out what other people believe as well. He tells me that he chooses to belief in reincarnation. I am doing my best to help him to keep an open mind with a strong spiritual center. It sounds like you are doing the same. Here's to the next generation being more open and less fearful!
Blessings,
Well said...
By Dana Theus on Friday, 09/10/2010 at 5:19 AMWhen we can appreciate the fears of others, we can understand them more wholly.
if there's no hell
By Jennifer Shelton on Friday, 09/10/2010 at 5:11 AM"Getting into heaven at the expense of happiness here on earth isn't worth it to me. (It helps that I don't believe in Hell, I know:)"
Yes, that's truly the crux of the situation. If you accept the story of a hellish afterlife as pure fact (and if even questioning this fact a tiny bit puts you at risk of spending time in hell), then, fear is what you're left with. For most of my family, hell is a fact, and their reality is formed around that fact. To believe anything else is to sentence yourself to eternal torture.
Now, I'm not saying that some won't question this (I obviously did) but I can fully understand the people who are too fearful to do so.
Blessings,
Than you, Jennifer
By Dana Theus on Friday, 09/10/2010 at 4:03 AM... for your personal insights into your church growing up.
I wasn't raised in a religious community at all because both my parents were recovering from their fundamentalist upbringings and rejected religion altogether. I found God and spirit pretty much all by myself - intuitively and by reading voraciously about all kinds of spiritual stuff. The Jesus story never resonated with me, and even though I now understand it symbolically, I've found my own ways into the truths that his life and its mythology is about. And I've come to love him for what he was, his bravery and his sacrifice. But I don't feel Saved by Him. Nor do I believe in Heaven and Hell. I feel grateful for all that God IS in my life and to me, that is Saved enough.
In recent years I started to question the stories my parents told me about their upbringings, how fear-based and black and white they were. How they were taught NOT to question things. How could people be so narrow? How could they ignore what science had to teach us? Why couldn't they update and integrate their beliefs with the wisdom of other faiths around them? Hadn't that changed in modern times? Perhaps not. As your experience illustrates, fear is a powerful motivator
My experience tells me that when we set aside fear and hatred, more love comes through. I accept what you're saying about how some of the hellfire and damnation stories are motivated by love, but to me the ends don't justify the means. Getting into heaven at the expense of happiness here on earth isn't worth it to me. (It helps that I don't believe in Hell, I know:) The Kingdom of Heaven is here. Now. When I let go of fear and accept that reality into my heart, I am at peace and happy. I have arrived. I am Saved. I want no more. I could die today and be happy with the life I have lead until this moment. What more could heaven have to offer?
Thank you for your story and your understanding and your invitation to share.